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Change is a-coming

May 2008

I had to break a $20 note to pay for an $8 lunch today. My change was given entirely in $1 coins.

Jody commented:

I love getting coins - makes me feel loaded.

Was that a vegetarian lunch Matt? :)

Matt commented:

Of course it was! I haven't (apart from an unfortunate Anzac Day episode) eaten meat at all for months.

Jody commented:

Good for you!! I've been thinking a lot about Steve Pavlina and his raw experiment... I would like to give it a go, maybe not in winter though. I think avocado would be an essential part of a raw vegan eating plan. Came close to beginning last night when a flatmate who shall remain nameless but happens to also be my brother cooked a bean fry up with sliced kumera. Crispy.

Matt commented:

Yeah, would need avocado. And summer seems like a good time to start; I need soups in winter.

That said, I might aim for vegan before I head for raw. I think I could probably cut out eggs reasonably easily; dairy will be a little more difficult.

kelly commented:

Hey thar's a raw vegan dining group in Chch! They have a pot luck dinner on tomorrow night that I really wanted to go to to check it out, but I got double booked :) I think I would get sick of raw and vegan very fast. I like cooked food. + raw really limits your already-limited vegan repertoire. ie raw potato? kumara? + does raw apply to everything or just fruit and veg? otherwise pasta and rice could get a little average.

Christina commented:

Yes, indeedy my good friend, change was coming. About $15 in 10, 20 and 50c pieces if I recall :) Hope you had a great birthday anyway...

Matt commented:

Kelly: raw applies to everything. It becomes a pretty restricting diet. Lots and lots of bananas, salads, and plenty of avocado for fat. No pasta, rice or potatoes. Steve Pavlina did it; he's written about what you can eat here and here.

Jody commented:

Seven comments following on from your vegetarian lunch matt! Does this call for problemattic to have a special veg*n section - equivalent to "log" or "quick"??

Fraser commented:

Bananas! That's a pretty ecologically/socially unsound option for anyone living outside the tropics, isn't it?

Jody commented:

You know Fraser, I was just thinking today that bananas are very problematic (that's an unintentional website pun) for veganism. I think there should be another step in matt's suggested progression: vegetarian, vegan, vegan without bananas, raw vegan.

Nato commented:

bananas are problematic for veganism? how so?

Michael commented:

Why not just sleep under a tree and eat grass all day?

Fraser commented:

@Nato: not so much for vegans as for greenies. Bananas have to travel a long way - and, as far as I know, the industry is similar to coffee and chocolate in terms of social justice dodginess. Also, tarantulas aren't vegan, and what if Vince Noir from The Mighty Boosh is right and the black bits in bananas are tarantulas' eggs?

Jody commented:

Also, apparently, bananas are also headed for extinction in 30 or 40 years. There was an article in the Herald on Saturday. So what Fraser says about travel and social justice, along with an unsustainable growing practice, along with me struggling to imagine being vegan without bananas (they are awesome for baking, great on muesli, fantastic portable snack or quick buy from a diary) ... makes me think bananas are problematic.

Jody commented:

Whoops, I think I confused diary and dairy. You know what I mean though.

brehaut commented:

So its ethically questionable to send an asexual cultivar species of plant that is only able to exist because of human interaction to extinction?

Jody commented:

Intriguing banana comment from the man whose coffee needs cannot be fulfilled by merely one coffee at a time... please explain Brehaut.

Matt commented:

OH IT'S ON NOW

brehaut commented:

Hah :P

As far as i understand it domesticated bananas such as we get down here are very far removed from wild bananas that are not eaten. The domestic varieties are cultivated from cuttings of previous grown plants. Wild bananas are stumpy little things with large seeds. The 'tarantula eggs' are just the sterile remains of what banana seeds.

So, if you eat bananas into extinction, they are gone - until someone manages to recultivate them i suppose. it only took a few thousand years the first time. If you don't eat them market forces will shut down banana plantations which will cause them to die out because of species wide sterility.

Jody commented:

Well, that has expanded my knowledge of bananas infinitely. Thanks Brehaut. (And Matt, don't try to stir up trouble between us - Brehaut knows I greatly respect his coffee drinking peculiarities.)

I think we should save bananas as we know them!! None of us have a few thousand years to wait for our next hit of banana cake. We need bananas. But maybe I could become a more responsible banana consumer.

brehaut commented:

As an aside, I'm going to suggest that its not so peculiar in other parts of the country where a latte isn't larger than me. It is merely a latte with an external extra shot :P

Jody commented:

Ha! Perfect justification! I will not mock you again today.

Ruth commented:

hehe :)